Dr Koontz and Rev Fisk continue discussing the Okies and the history of agriculture in California, the invention of agribusiness, what sets the Yankees apart from the rest of America and why immigrant groups are more interested in themselves than the general population, why intellectual causes always fracture, national vs global framing, the need for personal knowledge to change minds, and the migrant populations that work California farms.
Dr Koontz and Rev Fisk talk about how and why the world of renters came to be, what makes land fragile or resilient, the history of land rushes and the dustbowl, who the Okies are and why their example matters, and why everyone is now a migrant.
Dr Koontz and Rev Fisk open the show by talking about the difference between liberty and democracy, the necessity of shepherding, remaining aware of powers beyond the local, and whether life is simple or mysterious. They also discuss the agricultural revolutions that opened the way for modern life and what happens when they fail, health provided by food instead of medication, and the commercialization of agriculture.
Dr Koontz and Rev Fisk talk about the real and the exaggerated dangers of living in the US, the present discussion of gun violence and gun control, the necessity of holistic thinking, looking at history “from below”, biological differences out of the agricultural revolution, and the reality of rural America.